Connecting iPod to OpenSUSE

[Adam Tauno Williams]

Connected an iPod to USB port on OpenSUSE 11.3 and nothing shows up.
Anyone know of software which will "see" the iPod directories? Is this
even possible.
Thanks,
Terry

That is why I bought my Wife the Sansa Clip, because I didn't want to
futs around after Christmas to get it to work - she is running Linux too.
To my knowledge, iPod - REQUIRES - Windows or Mac.

They work very well with openSUSE; Banshee handles them extremely well.
<http://banshee.fm/>

[Adam Tauno Williams]

Connected an iPod to USB port on OpenSUSE 11.3 and nothing shows up.
Anyone know of software which will "see" the iPod directories? Is this
even possible.
Thanks,
Terry

That is why I bought my Wife the Sansa Clip, because I didn't want to
futs around after Christmas to get it to work - she is running Linux too.
To my knowledge, iPod - REQUIRES - Windows or Mac.

Gtkpod works great with the ipod. However, the ipod has to be formatted
as a FAT drive and not with the native Apple filesystem. The first time
the ipod is connected to iTunes it should be on a computer with MS
Windows. Itunes will automatically configure the ipod. Then when you
connect it to a linux machine, gtkpod will easily read and write to the
device, add playlists, etc. If the first time you connect the ipod to
an Apple machine, it will configure the ipod with the native Apple
filesystem which gtkpod will not see. Best wishes. Gustav

Partly correct. gtkpod works with older ipods.

Forget all this gtkpod stuff - install the latest version of Banshee.
It will work - period. Banshee uses ipod-sharp.

<http://banshee.fm/download/>

<QUOTE href="http://banshee.fm/support/faq/">
iPods - most iPods and iOS devices should work with Banshee. Apple
frequently updates the database format the devices use by upgrading
iTunes, so it's recommended to use Banshee exclusively to manage your
iPod, or not at all. Importing music from an iPod managed with iTunes
should be fine, though.
</QUOTE>

<QUOTE href="http://banshee.fm/support/faq/">
Does Banshee support iPhones or iPod Touch devices?
Yes, since the 1.7.5 release.
</QUOTE>

[Roger Oberholtzer]

Connected an iPod to USB port on OpenSUSE 11.3 and nothing shows up.
Anyone know of software which will "see" the iPod directories? Is this
even possible.
Thanks,
Terry

That is why I bought my Wife the Sansa Clip, because I didn't want to
futs around after Christmas to get it to work - she is running Linux too.
To my knowledge, iPod - REQUIRES - Windows or Mac.

Gtkpod works great with the ipod. However, the ipod has to be formatted
as a FAT drive and not with the native Apple filesystem. The first time
the ipod is connected to iTunes it should be on a computer with MS
Windows. Itunes will automatically configure the ipod. Then when you
connect it to a linux machine, gtkpod will easily read and write to the
device, add playlists, etc. If the first time you connect the ipod to
an Apple machine, it will configure the ipod with the native Apple
filesystem which gtkpod will not see. Best wishes. Gustav

Partly correct. gtkpod works with older ipods. The older hard disk-based
ones. It does not work with ipod touch devices. I have both and was a
happy gtkpod user. When I got a touch a couple years ago, Linux support
went away.

But of course that is the simple answer.

If you look near the bottom of the following link (in the heading "The
iPhone and iTouch"), you will see that it requires that you jailbreak
the ipod so you can access it via ssh (sshfs to be more precise). I have
not done this as I have a Mac as well. So I use the iPod with that.

http://www.gtkpod.org/wiki/Getting_started#Using_udev

I just plugged my iPod touch (not even a new model) in and lsusb shows:

Bus 003 Device 003: ID 05ac:1293 Apple, Inc. iPod Touch 2.Gen

And I see this in /var/log/messages:

Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.712125] usb 3-3: New USB device found, idVendor=05ac, idProduct=1293
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.712158] usb 3-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.712176] usb 3-3: Product: iPod
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.712185] usb 3-3: Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.712195] usb 3-3: SerialNumber: 0f8d88e07226a1867db7178691dac75f97f5099a
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.712396] usb 3-3: ep 0x83 - rounding interval to 512 microframes
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.714620] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: WARN: short transfer on control ep
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.717099] usb 3-3: ep 0x83 - rounding interval to 512 microframes
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda kernel: [ 943.717294] usb 3-3: ERROR: Endpoint drop flag = 0, add flag = 1, and endpoint is not disabled.
Jan 2 01:08:56 barracuda usbmuxd[3282]: [0] Dropping privileges failed, check if user 'usbmux' exists!


But gtkpod does not find it. My older ipod worked great with gtkpod.
--
Roger Oberholtzer

OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST

Ramböll Sverige AB
Krukmakargatan 21
P.O. Box 17009
SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden

Office: Int [phone]
Mobile: Int [phone]

SHAW'S PRINCIPAL
Build a system that even a fool can use,
and only a fool will want to use it.

[James Knott]

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap?

Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email
clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will
remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from the
POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been completed,
you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients. Of course, with
gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when away from their
computers and have all their mail available.

[Gustav Degreef]

Hi folks,

I am helping some friends who run a non-profit office and have had one
opensuse machine on a larger network. The machines on the network are
connected to a DSL modem via a switch and have fixed ip addresses.


They do e-mail only on the linux machine using kmail. They rarely
connect to the internet on the machines running MS Windows. They are
happy that they have no viruses and no crashes on the linux machine in
more than 8 years. Now they want to add a second linux machine for
doing e-mail - I will put opens use 11.3 on this and I want to configure
kmail to use the same e-mail address as on the other machine.

They have a steadily increasing volume of e-mail correspondence, and
they need to keep the same e-mail address and domain. Currently they
are using pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com as their incoming and
outgoing servers. The domain is hosted on gmail servers.

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap? Or is there a third option? Is there some article that can
get me started? I am an advanced user, but not a sysadmin and any help
would be very much appreciated. We are in a rural area in India and I
can not easily get hands on linux help. Thanks, Gustav.

[Tejas Guruswamy]

Post by Gustav Degreef
Hi folks,
I am helping some friends who run a non-profit office and have had one
opensuse machine on a larger network. The machines on the network are
connected to a DSL modem via a switch and have fixed ip addresses.
They do e-mail only on the linux machine using kmail. They rarely
connect to the internet on the machines running MS Windows. They are
happy that they have no viruses and no crashes on the linux machine in
more than 8 years. Now they want to add a second linux machine for
doing e-mail - I will put opens use 11.3 on this and I want to configure
kmail to use the same e-mail address as on the other machine.
They have a steadily increasing volume of e-mail correspondence, and
they need to keep the same e-mail address and domain. Currently they
are using pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com as their incoming and
outgoing servers. The domain is hosted on gmail servers.
Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap? Or is there a third option? Is there some article that can
get me started? I am an advanced user, but not a sysadmin and any help
would be very much appreciated. We are in a rural area in India and I
can not easily get hands on linux help. Thanks, Gustav.

Gmail supports IMAP, simply switch to that - accessing email from
multiple machines becomes easy after that.

See Gmail IMAP help/configuration settings at
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=12806

Regards,
Tejas

BTW when posting questions to the list, it's better to create a new
message, don't use "reply" on a previous thread.

[James Knott]

Post by James Knott

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap?

Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email
clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will
remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from the
POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been
completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients. Of
course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when away
from their computers and have all their mail available.

Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads, so
that new messages will only appear in IMAP.

[Carlos E. R.]

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Post by Gustav Degreef
Hi folks,

Welcome!

But you have hijacked a thread.

<http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subject_without_opening_a_new_thread>

Ii will thus delay my reply.

- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

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[Gustav Degreef]

Post by Carlos E. R.

Post by Gustav Degreef
Hi folks,

Welcome!
But you have hijacked a thread.
<http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subject_without_opening_a_new_thread>
Ii will thus delay my reply.

Sorry. I'll be more careful. Gustav

[James Knott]

If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved?

You'd have to create new folders on the IMAP server. Currently, the
folders are in a users home directory on their computer. IMAP keeps
mail on the server.

[Carlos E. R.]

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Perhaps the gmail stuff is off target. But I think you will not be happy
just sharing the kmail directories. I do not know if kmail does any
locking, or if that locking works over, say, NFS. Two programs accessing
(or just having open) the mail at the same time could be a disaster.

It should do locking, which would mean that it would give an error if you
try to open the same folder(s) from two computers (or same computer, two
programs/users).

This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for
sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent
of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if
it supports IMAP. Most do.

Same here. Using imap is quite interesting even for a single user.

procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The
syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.

Procmail is very simple, really. In "man procmailex" there are examples,
it is one of the few easy to read, user oriented, man pages :-)

As for imap, I wrote my notes on how to migrate from local folders to imap
using dovecot in the forum:

View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=447542


- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

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[James Knott]

If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved?

You'd have to create new folders on the IMAP server. Currently, the folders are in a users home directory on their computer. IMAP keeps
mail on the server.

I believe this discussion resolved around Gmail James, so there would be nothing to change.
Gmail's imap uses existing folders on Gmail's server.

I thought the OP was using POP from gmail to his email clients (kmail).
If so, the mail is retained on the individual computers, not the server.

[Carlos E. R.]

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to imap will take some time. it's a challenge, but I'm looking forward
to it. I may follow-up on this thread later if I need more help. I
really appreciate everyone elses input. Gustav.

I had the same fears as you, but it was really easier than I thought. I'm
using dovecot.

Notice that, at least with dovecot, you don't need to change how you get
and clasify your email. You can download email using kmail, do the
filtering with whatever tools kmail has (or evince, or thunderbird, or
pine... whatever). The only thing that changes is where you store the
email. Or not: I haven't changed how I do all that.

With Alpine I can access my folders directly, as files in my home folder,
or via imap. I have both worlds.

- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

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[Gustav Degreef]

Post by Carlos E. R.

Perhaps the gmail stuff is off target. But I think you will not be happy
just sharing the kmail directories. I do not know if kmail does any
locking, or if that locking works over, say, NFS. Two programs accessing
(or just having open) the mail at the same time could be a disaster.

It should do locking, which would mean that it would give an error if
you try to open the same folder(s) from two computers (or same
computer, two programs/users).

This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for
sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent
of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if
it supports IMAP. Most do.

Same here. Using imap is quite interesting even for a single user.

procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The
syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.

Procmail is very simple, really. In "man procmailex" there are
examples, it is one of the few easy to read, user oriented, man pages :-)
As for imap, I wrote my notes on how to migrate from local folders to
View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=447542
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.

OK, very clear. Sharing the folders is not a good idea and IMAP is the
way to go. Roger, thanks for all your posts. Carlos, I’ll look at your
notes and read up on IMAP on gmail also. I installed the new 11.3 system
already and I'm going to configure it in a couple of days. The migration
to imap will take some time. it's a challenge, but I'm looking forward
to it. I may follow-up on this thread later if I need more help. I
really appreciate everyone elses input. Gustav.

[John Andersen]

Post by Gustav Degreef
OK, very clear. Sharing the folders is not a good idea and IMAP is the
way to go. Roger, thanks for all your posts. Carlos, I�ll look at your
notes and read up on IMAP on gmail also. I installed the new 11.3 system
already and I'm going to configure it in a couple of days. The migration
to imap will take some time. it's a challenge, but I'm looking forward
to it. I may follow-up on this thread later if I need more help. I
really appreciate everyone elses input. Gustav.

I've sort of lost track of the thread, but will just toss this in for what
its worth....

Many long years ago when we moved from pop to imap (changing servers), we
simply weeded the chaff out of our local pop mailboxes and folders, replicated
the folders on the imap account, and simply dragged huge quantities of mail
from local pop mbox to the imap account folders.

Its not quick if the target is remote , but it didn't need to be monitored,
and would grind away quite reliably. This was back in the kmail under
KDE 3.something, which quite frankly seemed more stable than today's version.

It makes it possible to cleanly break away from local message repositories
and make historical mail available to everyone using the same imap account.

[Gustav Degreef]

Post by Adam Tauno Williams

To my knowledge, iPod - REQUIRES - Windows or Mac.

Gtkpod works great with the ipod. However, the ipod has to be formatted
as a FAT drive and not with the native Apple filesystem. The first time
the ipod is connected to iTunes it should be on a computer with MS
Windows. Itunes will automatically configure the ipod. Then when you
connect it to a linux machine, gtkpod will easily read and write to the
device, add playlists, etc. If the first time you connect the ipod to
an Apple machine, it will configure the ipod with the native Apple
filesystem which gtkpod will not see. Best wishes. Gustav

Partly correct. gtkpod works with older ipods.

Forget all this gtkpod stuff - install the latest version of Banshee.
It will work - period. Banshee uses ipod-sharp.
<http://banshee.fm/download/>

Banshee looks good, especially since version 1.7.5 it also supports the
ipod touch and iphones. I installed it (opensuse 11.3), but can't find
a command to start the program. On the website it says that it is
heavily incorporated into gnome. How to run it? Gustav

[Roger Oberholtzer]

Post by James Knott

Post by James Knott

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap?

Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email
clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will
remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from
the POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been
completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients.
Of course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when
away from their computers and have all their mail available.

Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads,
so that new messages will only appear in IMAP.

Very much appreciate all the input, I went to the gmail page and looked
at the imap info.
One of the reasons I am not sure about IMAP is that my friends' office
staff have many kmail folders where the mail is sorted to. The mail is
sorted to folders with reference to individual person, topic, status,
etc., etc. The folders have become complex over the eight years of
use. But the Gmail webmail interface does not have the capacity to
create folders. If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved? That is why
we were considering sharing the kmail folders on their internal
network. Thanks, Gustav.

I also sort e-mail to many folders. So I have my gmail forwarded to my
Linux system. So I do not use imap or pop with gmail. This way all mail
arrives via SMTP, where it is sorted into IMAP folders using procmail.
Thus I only set up filters in one place, independent of any reader. I
run an imap server so I can access these anywhere. This also means I can
use any e-mail reader locally without the worry of how it will store
e-mail. The advantage of using imap is that it sorts out maintaining
info about new/unread/read messages across all readers on different
machines. Exporting kmail limits this to kmail.

So, maybe use gmail forwarding?


Yours sincerely,

Roger Oberholtzer

OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST

Office: Int [phone]
Mobile: Int [phone]
***@ramboll.se
________________________________________

Ramböll Sverige AB
Krukmakargatan 21
P.O. Box 17009
SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden
www.rambollrst.se

[Gustav Degreef]

Post by James Knott

Post by James Knott

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap?

Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email
clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will
remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from
the POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been
completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients.
Of course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when
away from their computers and have all their mail available.

Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads,
so that new messages will only appear in IMAP.

Very much appreciate all the input, I went to the gmail page and looked
at the imap info.

One of the reasons I am not sure about IMAP is that my friends' office
staff have many kmail folders where the mail is sorted to. The mail is
sorted to folders with reference to individual person, topic, status,
etc., etc. The folders have become complex over the eight years of
use. But the Gmail webmail interface does not have the capacity to
create folders. If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved? That is why
we were considering sharing the kmail folders on their internal
network. Thanks, Gustav.

[Adam Tauno Williams]

Post by Gustav Degreef

Post by Adam Tauno Williams

To my knowledge, iPod - REQUIRES - Windows or Mac

Gtkpod works great with the ipod. However, the ipod has to be formatted
as a FAT drive and not with the native Apple filesystem. The first time
the ipod is connected to iTunes it should be on a computer with MS
Windows. Itunes will automatically configure the ipod. Then when you
connect it to a linux machine, gtkpod will easily read and write to the
device, add playlists, etc. If the first time you connect the ipod to
an Apple machine, it will configure the ipod with the native Apple
filesystem which gtkpod will not see. Best wishes. Gustav

Partly correct. gtkpod works with older ipods.

Forget all this gtkpod stuff - install the latest version of Banshee.
It will work - period. Banshee uses ipod-sharp.
<http://banshee.fm/download/>

Banshee looks good, especially since version 1.7.5 it also supports the
ipod touch and iphones. I installed it (opensuse 11.3), but can't find
a command to start the program. On the website it says that it is
heavily incorporated into gnome. How to run it? Gustav

It should appear in GNOME - > Multimedia - > Audio Player - > Banshee.

Or run "banshee-1" at the command line.

[Roger Oberholtzer]

Sorry, I seem to have horribly messed up this thread. Trying to
continue the discussion on a new thread.

Perhaps the gmail stuff is off target. But I think you will not be happy
just sharing the kmail directories. I do not know if kmail does any
locking, or if that locking works over, say, NFS. Two programs accessing
(or just having open) the mail at the same time could be a disaster.

This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for
sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent
of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if
it supports IMAP. Most do.

procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The
syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.

Sounds like a nice arrangement, could work for us, but I don't know
anything about procmail. And I would need some kind of link to a
tutorial before even attempting it. I have installed the new system for
my friends, now to configure it. Any pointers to an online how to etc.
would be great. I looked in the opensuse SDB but nothing seems to be
close to what we need. Thanks for the tips. Gustav.

Yours sincerely,

Roger Oberholtzer

OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST

Office: Int [phone]
Mobile: Int [phone]
***@ramboll.se
________________________________________

Ramböll Sverige AB
Krukmakargatan 21
P.O. Box 17009
SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden
www.rambollrst.se

[Roger Oberholtzer]

This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for
sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent
of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if
it supports IMAP. Most do.
procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The
syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.

I'd recommend SIEVE over procmail [and your IMAP server may already
support it - no additional cruft]

I'm using courier imap. Mainly because I have always used it and it
works for me. I have considered others. But I saw no real advantage. It
also works talking to the imap proxy on my firewall. That bit of the
puzzle I would like to get rid of...


Yours sincerely,

Roger Oberholtzer

OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST

Office: Int [phone]
Mobile: Int [phone]
***@ramboll.se
________________________________________

Ramböll Sverige AB
Krukmakargatan 21
P.O. Box 17009
SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden
www.rambollrst.se

[Tejas Guruswamy]

Post by Roger Oberholtzer

Post by James Knott

Post by James Knott

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap?

Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email
clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will
remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from
the POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been
completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients.
Of course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when
away from their computers and have all their mail available.

Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads,
so that new messages will only appear in IMAP.

Very much appreciate all the input, I went to the gmail page and looked
at the imap info.
One of the reasons I am not sure about IMAP is that my friends' office
staff have many kmail folders where the mail is sorted to. The mail is
sorted to folders with reference to individual person, topic, status,
etc., etc. The folders have become complex over the eight years of
use. But the Gmail webmail interface does not have the capacity to
create folders. If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved? That is why
we were considering sharing the kmail folders on their internal
network. Thanks, Gustav.

I also sort e-mail to many folders. So I have my gmail forwarded to my
Linux system. So I do not use imap or pop with gmail. This way all mail
arrives via SMTP, where it is sorted into IMAP folders using procmail.
Thus I only set up filters in one place, independent of any reader. I
run an imap server so I can access these anywhere. This also means I can
use any e-mail reader locally without the worry of how it will store
e-mail. The advantage of using imap is that it sorts out maintaining
info about new/unread/read messages across all readers on different
machines. Exporting kmail limits this to kmail.
So, maybe use gmail forwarding?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer

Sorry, I seem to have horribly messed up this thread. Trying to
continue the discussion on a new thread.
Sounds like a nice arrangement, could work for us, but I don't know
anything about procmail. And I would need some kind of link to a
tutorial before even attempting it. I have installed the new system for
my friends, now to configure it. Any pointers to an online how to etc.
would be great. I looked in the opensuse SDB but nothing seems to be
close to what we need. Thanks for the tips. Gustav.

Gmail IMAP does support folders - they just show up as "Labels" in the
web-interface.

Regards,
Tejas

[Gustav Degreef]

Post by Roger Oberholtzer

Post by James Knott

Post by James Knott

Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc.
folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch
to imap?

Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email
clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will
remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from
the POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been
completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients.
Of course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when
away from their computers and have all their mail available.

Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads,
so that new messages will only appear in IMAP.

Very much appreciate all the input, I went to the gmail page and looked
at the imap info.
One of the reasons I am not sure about IMAP is that my friends' office
staff have many kmail folders where the mail is sorted to. The mail is
sorted to folders with reference to individual person, topic, status,
etc., etc. The folders have become complex over the eight years of
use. But the Gmail webmail interface does not have the capacity to
create folders. If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved? That is why
we were considering sharing the kmail folders on their internal
network. Thanks, Gustav.

I also sort e-mail to many folders. So I have my gmail forwarded to my
Linux system. So I do not use imap or pop with gmail. This way all mail
arrives via SMTP, where it is sorted into IMAP folders using procmail.
Thus I only set up filters in one place, independent of any reader. I
run an imap server so I can access these anywhere. This also means I can
use any e-mail reader locally without the worry of how it will store
e-mail. The advantage of using imap is that it sorts out maintaining
info about new/unread/read messages across all readers on different
machines. Exporting kmail limits this to kmail.
So, maybe use gmail forwarding?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer

Sorry, I seem to have horribly messed up this thread. Trying to
continue the discussion on a new thread.

Sounds like a nice arrangement, could work for us, but I don't know
anything about procmail. And I would need some kind of link to a
tutorial before even attempting it. I have installed the new system for
my friends, now to configure it. Any pointers to an online how to etc.
would be great. I looked in the opensuse SDB but nothing seems to be
close to what we need. Thanks for the tips. Gustav.

[Adam Tauno Williams]

This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for
sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent
of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if
it supports IMAP. Most do.
procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The
syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.

I'd recommend SIEVE over procmail [and your IMAP server may already
support it - no additional cruft]

[John Andersen]

If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they
retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved?

You'd have to create new folders on the IMAP server. Currently, the folders are in a users home directory on their computer. IMAP keeps
mail on the server.

I believe this discussion resolved around Gmail James, so there would be nothing to change.
Gmail's imap uses existing folders on Gmail's server.

I thought the OP was using POP from gmail to his email clients (kmail). If so, the mail is retained on the individual computers, not the
server.

Right but he wants to cut over to imap, retain mail on Gmail servers, and only use his local files for historical mail.
This allows him access from multiple workstations, which was the ultimate goal.

I think they have it in hand at this point.